The Modern Pea Pod caught up with lead vocalist and songwriter Chad last weekend to discuss the line-up change, the band's upcoming album, and the state of Michigan Rock Itself. Intrigued? Read on.
Modern Pea Pod: You guys started out as a two-piece, but last year you expanded the line-up to five. What was the rationale behind that decision?
Chad Thompson: Well, it was always sort of in the back of my head, I guess. Keith and I did the two-man thing out of necessity and efficiency and ease... the idea was to establish what we are without other people, make it what we wanted, and go from there. It had to be the right people, though. Once you've formed a fanbase and formed expectations, you always have to be careful with stuff like that.
As far as the reason we did it, though, we were playing a Christmas specialty show with Pas/Cal at the Lager House. I wanted to bring in some more people for that show, and we just kept doing it after that. It wasn't really a planned thing - I mean it sort of was, it's not like we were gonna say, "Okay, thanks for playing with us, see you later." But then again, we might have. (laughs) If it hadn't gone well, we had the option to go back to just the two of us. But the people we have are great; we've known them for a long time, and they fit really well with the sound, so it worked.
MPP: Would you say the extra band members have changed the group dynamic or sound?
CT: Yeah, in a way; it's more like the exact same effect with more people. I mean, I'm just going by what other people say about it. People tell me the sound is fuller, but it's still sort of retained the charm we built on our own. You have to be careful, because adding members can detract from what you've established and undermine it.
MPP: What about live? A lot of two-person bands I've talked to have said that the limitation of a smaller line-up is a big part of the chemistry of a performance; did you have trouble adjusting to that kind of change in the stage act?
CT: Well, I mean it's changed the sound and it's changed the visual effect. And onstage, personally I was doing a lot and so was Keith. Our whole thing is based on high performance, high entertainment - it's a show. We retained that with the bigger line-up: having more people frees me up to do more stuff, and not have all this garbage going on in the back of my head. Like, "okay, now I've gotta do this, and then I've gotta go there..."
Everybody's a multi-instrumentalist in the band, too, which is awesome. The drummer can play piano, the keyboard player can play drums... they're all really good. So you can always change instrumentation around: take the drum machine and make it into a real drummer, take the back-up parts and give them to another person. You've just got a lot of options. You've got a lot of options with the computer too, I guess... but it's a computer. (laughs) With real people playing, you can put in anything you want.
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MPP: Johnny Headband has an unique element going on in that it's a band led by two brothers. How long have you and Keith been playing together?
CT: We've been playing together since about six or seven. Our dad is a guitar and piano player; when you have a musician-type family like that, you do it early and you do it together. And you learn instruments according to need - you don't need three guitars, so I learned drums, my brother learned piano, and my dad played guitar. From there, I was always in concert bands and marching bands. In college I played on the MSU drum line. And then you combine that with multimedia: we both have TV backgrounds, so with Johnny Headband we combine video, media, music and performance, just all facets of entertainment. It's something we're both interested in.
MPP: Is this your first band together?
CT: Yeah, I mean, we've been in bands, but some of the other stuff's not even worth mentioning. The bands we've been in together maybe played basement shows or whatever; not like a rock band who's done all the legit things, like book shows in Detroit, put out a demo, try to be famous... (facetiously) Because that's why you do it, right? Money, women, and fame - that's the only reason.
MPP: Now you grew up in Durand, right? How did you both make it to Detroit?
CT: (laughs) That's funny. Basically, we both went to school at MSU and then we both got jobs in the Detroit area. It wasn't planned, none of this was planned - I mean it wasn't random, either, but I didn't have visions of this in my childhood or anything. I guess I was sort of expected to be in a band because I've always been in bands. I taught drums and I played in the MSU drum line for a while, though, so with things like that you get a music outlet, you don't have to be in a rock band. But then my brother was in a band called the Beggars who played Detroit, so he knew how to book to an extent. So you get your foot in the door once you do that, and if they like it you can create a bit of a stir.
Durand, though - to be honest I try to mention Durand as little as possible. (laughs) It was funny, though, because we played the Temple Club, this big beautiful venue in Lansing, with the Paybacks and the Muggs... and there were like twenty people from Durand there! (laughs) I was like, that's never gonna happen again.
(the Headbandits in action - photo by Fotog Ink)
MPP: This is something that sort of interests me, because I'm from the Lansing area: it seems like more bands from Detroit are starting to play Lansing these days. Why do you think that is?
CT: I'm not really sure. When we played the Temple Club, we used the Detroit connection a little bit just so we didn't have to go through all the bullshit you have to do when you're on you're on your own. But the Paybacks hadn't played there! And they've been around forever. It's kind of strange, because people play Ann Arbor all the time, but they never think to go to Lansing. They'll go out of state before they go to Lansing.
I guess part of it is that the scene there is still pretty new. When I was going to school, there really wasn't much. I went to Mac's a couple times, I think, but it was nothing like it is now. There was the Wharton Center and the Breslin and everything, and really big acts would come through there, but there wasn't that Magic Stick or Blind Pig level: like not people making $50 and not people making $5000, but right in the middle. So we had our doubts. But then we went to see Neko Case at the Temple Club, and it was amazing. I think things are definitely picking up in Lansing; Mac's Bar has a bunch of people coming through, the Temple Club is getting really good at it. And that's just been happening in the last couple of years.
MPP: What about Detroit? I know some people are saying that there's a sort of change in the scene going on there - like Jack White's gone or whatever, so it's time for something totally new and different. But I'm not so sure that's what I see.
CT: To me, whenever somebody says something grandiose like that, it's like, yeah, it's got some merit. But some of those bands are still there - it's not like they broke up, "oh, the scene's over!" The Dirtbombs still have it, and they were one of the key bands. And then you've got others coming in, which makes it not so one-dimensional. I think the difference is it's not as publicized. It was a scene because it was written as a scene, because that particular style is what people wrote about. There were bands who were there that weren't garage rock, but it wasn't the hot story or whatever. And then there's a band like us, who have had success in Detroit now, and people say the scene is changing. Whoever's popular at the time is what the perception becomes.
MPP: It seems like that's almost better for Detroit, musically, not to have so much attention from the press.
CT: Yeah, with too much attention you get people doing it for reasons other than it's just what they wanna do. It's better for the music scene to not be scrutinized so much; that's what makes it more diverse and dimensional and interesting. But I'm not gonna sit here and say anything like "everything's changed" or "everything's the same."
(photo by Fotog Ink)
MPP: So this summer, you're going to be recording your first album. Do you know how you're gonna do it yet - like where to record it, that sort of thing?
CT: Well, I don't really wanna say for sure, because it might change. I can say that we do want to use a studio. We have our own sort of recording set-up, but it's not the same; all the stuff on MySpace I did at home, and it's good enough, but for the record I want to use another person. First, though, we've got tons of demos - about 65 - and we want to take that down to a manageable number. So the first part of the summer is that. And then we'll release it in the fall... it's a lot of work, a lot of work that record labels can do for you that we're doing for ourselves. But yeah, some sort of release, some sort of tour if possible, that's the plan.
MPP: Is this is the first thing you've ever released? No EPs or anything like that?
CT: We have an EP, sort of, but it's just a demo, not like a real release; it's only for show purposes, just to get our music out to people who go to our shows. So yeah, the first release is a full-length. We've got the songs, so we might as well do it... I mean the reason you put out a single or an EP is because that's all the songs you have, that's my understanding.
But we're trying to learn along the way the best way to do something. We know a fair amount of people who have done it, and some have had a fair amount of success, so we can e-mail them up and ask about it. Because, I mean, I don't know about it. I don't really care. All this stuff I've never had to think about, like how long do I want my CD to be? It's like, who cares? Unless you grew up idolizing and fantasizing about liner notes - and I didn't. I played drums for years, I played piano... I just wanted to make music. This is more structured and more formulized than what I've done for years and years. I wrote a song about it.
MPP: You wrote a song about putting out the album?
CT: Yeah, I came up with a line for a new song idea: it's like, "I don't know what you know so stop trying to burst my bubble." 'Cause I hate it! Everybody's like "this sounds like this, that sounds like that"... like Pitchfork, I guess. Sorry, I shoot my mouth off a lot.
MPP: Nah, it's fine, we can barely even get through a review on this website without knocking Pitchfork. But is that something you have to deal with a lot, the indie snobbery kind of thing? Do you have trouble with that?
CT: Do you mean does it bother me? Yeah. It did. I wasn't used to dealing with it when we started out. But I think it's not any different from any other organization or community you get involved in. There's always those people - I learned to deal with it in other things, like the drum world.
But especially when you to start to get any kind of reputation; it's like, "that's that, that's this, they're a poor man's Dykehouse." You think you're doing well, because people are coming out to see you, you knock 'em down with your shows or whatever... It affects me less and less, though, because I just get more like, what I'm doing is what I want to be doing. Some people have been doing it forever: they started a band when they were sixteen, now they're 34 and still going. I started a band when I was 25, now I'm 26. And our grace period was definitely accelerated in Detroit; we didn't have to wait long, everything we did got attention.
(photo by Sandi Wheaton)
MPP: It seems like Detroit is a good place for getting attention quickly.
CT: If they're into you, they dig you, and if you're putting forth something of quality then you can go pretty far. But then there's people like the Deadstring Brothers, who I think are amazing, and they've been under the radar in Detroit for years - they're just taking off now. So hype kind of goes both ways. We've had skeptics from the start. People in Detroit definitely know we leave some sort of buzz going, so we've had people really liking us and people hating us from the start. I'm just glad there aren't many people who are indifferent.
MPP: It seems like that might be the worst, not to get any kind of reaction.
CT: It's definitely the worst. You can hate me, that's cool. At least they hate me and remember me and tell somebody they hate me...I'd rather be hated than have nobody care.
MPP: You're playing your last show before the record is released in the fall this weekend, correct? At the Elbow Room.
CT: Yeah - well, sort of. There's something else that might happen this summer, but let's keep that off the record because it's a good idea and I don't want anyone to steal it. So yeah, we're playing with Great Lakes Myth Society and the Muggs. It's Tax Day, so if you see any fliers with a piggy bank at the bottom, that's us. Originally it was going to be an EP release for GLMS; now it's a farewell show for us, but we didn't know at the time. So we're playing first because it's three headlining bands, and the Muggs played first last time. That's fine by me. It just means we get done earlier.
MPP: Cool. Anything else?
CT: Be there early, because it's gonna blow your nuts off. That's all.
Johnny Headband will play their last show of the season at the Elbow Room in Ypsilanti, on Saturday, April 15. Doors open at 10 pm. For more information on the show, the upcoming album and Johnny Headband in general, check their website.
Top photo by Sandi Wheaton
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